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		<title>By: Nick Jacklaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Jacklaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve all played in scrambles where we&#039;ve suspected (almost certain about it) that rampant cheating is involved. For me and the guys I play with, it&#039;s completely unthinkable. But as hard as it is to believe for those of us who honor the game, it does happen.
 
Some thoughts...
• If you go into a tournament that specifies &quot;one pro&quot;, where do you draw the line? Is it not okay for Chad Collins to play, but okay for Gary Trivisonno? And if it&#039;s not okay for Trivisonno to play, is it okay for Mike Bittner to play? Where do you draw the line?
 
A couple of thoughts...
• The tournament director should have a serious discussion at the start of tournament warning about cheating. It&#039;s never mentioned.
• If cheaters are caught, a list should be circulated at posted at area golf courses. The tournament could have the option of disallowing those players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve all played in scrambles where we&#8217;ve suspected (almost certain about it) that rampant cheating is involved. For me and the guys I play with, it&#8217;s completely unthinkable. But as hard as it is to believe for those of us who honor the game, it does happen.</p>
<p>Some thoughts&#8230;<br />
• If you go into a tournament that specifies &#8220;one pro&#8221;, where do you draw the line? Is it not okay for Chad Collins to play, but okay for Gary Trivisonno? And if it&#8217;s not okay for Trivisonno to play, is it okay for Mike Bittner to play? Where do you draw the line?</p>
<p>A couple of thoughts&#8230;<br />
• The tournament director should have a serious discussion at the start of tournament warning about cheating. It&#8217;s never mentioned.<br />
• If cheaters are caught, a list should be circulated at posted at area golf courses. The tournament could have the option of disallowing those players.</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
		<link>http://neohgolf.com/windmill-lakes-4-man-scramble-results/comment-page-2/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can I say?  These kinds of things can happen, but it’s rare when it’s on this level.  I did not play in the Windmill event, but I do have a couple comments about it:

-	While I absolutely understand letting section pros play in these types of events (as they will be the first to admit they are not on the same level with touring pros), I have no idea why any tournament director would allow any Nationwide, PGA, or mini tour pro to compete in these types of events.  

Most of us have day jobs, some in and some out of the golf business.  Playing and competing in top notch golf tournaments is their job.  These guys already have 50 events they can compete in for big money.  They do NOT belong in these types of scrambles, and regardless what the possibilities may be, I wouldn’t waste so much as a penny on an event where my team is competing against a team with a tour professional.  Heath Slocum, White pants Overton, Mills, Collins, etc.  I don’t care who it is.  If we can’t play on their tour, they shouldn’t be able to play on our level of events.  

-	As for the long drive guys, while I think it can be a big advantage to have one on your team, unless these types of guys competed on a tour level, you’ve gotta let ‘em play.

-	With two groups playing together in each group, players should be the ones policing themselves.  If no issues are brought up on the course or at least by the time both cards are signed and turned in, then don&#039;t waste our time or yours bringing it up afterward.  Take care of it on the course or in the clubhouse (or perhaps the parking lot) and get it resolved right then and there.

-	Plus, rather than having 18 volunteers to police the course, why not have 5 or 6 of them on your target holes.  You know - the holes where issues are most likely to occur.  This includes the obvious skins holes (par 5&#039;s, drivable par 4&#039;s) and holes involving prizes.  A max of 7 or 8 volunteers would be needed, and by offering them a free round of golf or two to some of your course’s regulars, you would ensure that cheating will be kept to a minimum.

-	Remember, it’s November.  $35 per golfer at Windmill is still pretty damn good from a golf course revenue standpoint, even factoring cart/food.  How much would they have made had they not had this event?  And how much less buzz would have been created if no such event were played there?  Let’s face it – good golfers know Windmill is a good course that has good events, and they know where to find other good events at other area courses.  I don’t care what course you’re playing.  It’s November, $35 per golfer is a nice bonus.

-	Also, I can understand someone thinking the GolfTec team had a couple pros playing on the same team.  Bill Bergold used to be a pro, but he re-established his amateur status after leaving the golf biz a few years ago.  I played some junior golf w/ him back in the day.  He’s a good guy and he wouldn’t cheat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can I say?  These kinds of things can happen, but it’s rare when it’s on this level.  I did not play in the Windmill event, but I do have a couple comments about it:</p>
<p>-	While I absolutely understand letting section pros play in these types of events (as they will be the first to admit they are not on the same level with touring pros), I have no idea why any tournament director would allow any Nationwide, PGA, or mini tour pro to compete in these types of events.  </p>
<p>Most of us have day jobs, some in and some out of the golf business.  Playing and competing in top notch golf tournaments is their job.  These guys already have 50 events they can compete in for big money.  They do NOT belong in these types of scrambles, and regardless what the possibilities may be, I wouldn’t waste so much as a penny on an event where my team is competing against a team with a tour professional.  Heath Slocum, White pants Overton, Mills, Collins, etc.  I don’t care who it is.  If we can’t play on their tour, they shouldn’t be able to play on our level of events.  </p>
<p>-	As for the long drive guys, while I think it can be a big advantage to have one on your team, unless these types of guys competed on a tour level, you’ve gotta let ‘em play.</p>
<p>-	With two groups playing together in each group, players should be the ones policing themselves.  If no issues are brought up on the course or at least by the time both cards are signed and turned in, then don&#8217;t waste our time or yours bringing it up afterward.  Take care of it on the course or in the clubhouse (or perhaps the parking lot) and get it resolved right then and there.</p>
<p>-	Plus, rather than having 18 volunteers to police the course, why not have 5 or 6 of them on your target holes.  You know &#8211; the holes where issues are most likely to occur.  This includes the obvious skins holes (par 5&#8242;s, drivable par 4&#8242;s) and holes involving prizes.  A max of 7 or 8 volunteers would be needed, and by offering them a free round of golf or two to some of your course’s regulars, you would ensure that cheating will be kept to a minimum.</p>
<p>-	Remember, it’s November.  $35 per golfer at Windmill is still pretty damn good from a golf course revenue standpoint, even factoring cart/food.  How much would they have made had they not had this event?  And how much less buzz would have been created if no such event were played there?  Let’s face it – good golfers know Windmill is a good course that has good events, and they know where to find other good events at other area courses.  I don’t care what course you’re playing.  It’s November, $35 per golfer is a nice bonus.</p>
<p>-	Also, I can understand someone thinking the GolfTec team had a couple pros playing on the same team.  Bill Bergold used to be a pro, but he re-established his amateur status after leaving the golf biz a few years ago.  I played some junior golf w/ him back in the day.  He’s a good guy and he wouldn’t cheat.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Madden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, nonsense, too much of it.  No idea who Masso is, but he obviously has an agenda and is going to make sure he is well heard.  Dude, you lost, get over it.  I know it sucks, but as someone earlier stated, it is the nature of gambling...  And to Mr. Freeman, thanks for everything you do for NEO Amateur Golf.  This site and all its listings is very helpful to all of us!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, nonsense, too much of it.  No idea who Masso is, but he obviously has an agenda and is going to make sure he is well heard.  Dude, you lost, get over it.  I know it sucks, but as someone earlier stated, it is the nature of gambling&#8230;  And to Mr. Freeman, thanks for everything you do for NEO Amateur Golf.  This site and all its listings is very helpful to all of us!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill bergold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill bergold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey, they could have moved the ball before Nick got over there. Who cares? Nick was a gentleman, and I’m sure he’s a good representative of the game. We all went on the website, and the guys all fit the pics. They didn’t win anything anyway. Moot point&quot;

masso

not a moot point, your accusing someone of cheating! I was in that group and i am an amatuer and i dont appreciate the accusations!  matt, ryan and myself are amatuers and NONE of us ressemble any of the pros at golftec.

Nick was the first guy there, he road with ryan and it was his tee shot. Matt and i went and got our balls that were on the right side. when ryan and nick called us over because we had a shot. you guys never came over and have no clue what are shot was like. it was a simple shot 9/pw over a tree. your accusations are false and unfounded.

i also find this amusing considering the fact that you were telling us that our two footer on the first hole was good. we told you that the rules state the ball must hit the bottom of the hole and we marked and putted out regardless of what you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, they could have moved the ball before Nick got over there. Who cares? Nick was a gentleman, and I’m sure he’s a good representative of the game. We all went on the website, and the guys all fit the pics. They didn’t win anything anyway. Moot point&#8221;</p>
<p>masso</p>
<p>not a moot point, your accusing someone of cheating! I was in that group and i am an amatuer and i dont appreciate the accusations!  matt, ryan and myself are amatuers and NONE of us ressemble any of the pros at golftec.</p>
<p>Nick was the first guy there, he road with ryan and it was his tee shot. Matt and i went and got our balls that were on the right side. when ryan and nick called us over because we had a shot. you guys never came over and have no clue what are shot was like. it was a simple shot 9/pw over a tree. your accusations are false and unfounded.</p>
<p>i also find this amusing considering the fact that you were telling us that our two footer on the first hole was good. we told you that the rules state the ball must hit the bottom of the hole and we marked and putted out regardless of what you said.</p>
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		<title>By: vaughn snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>vaughn snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim...I&#039;m sorry but steve and I have seen you play and we aren&#039;t capable of beating you let alone if you have a partner...in regards to the ladies its not a question of if I&#039;m gonna strike out but how many times!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230;I&#8217;m sorry but steve and I have seen you play and we aren&#8217;t capable of beating you let alone if you have a partner&#8230;in regards to the ladies its not a question of if I&#8217;m gonna strike out but how many times!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read Larry&#039;s comment- that was the funniest thing I read in a while, or at least since my last 401k statement.

Aurora Golf Club is in PHENOM shape.  Played out there several times in past few days.   Let&#039;s get a Turkey scramble together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read Larry&#8217;s comment- that was the funniest thing I read in a while, or at least since my last 401k statement.</p>
<p>Aurora Golf Club is in PHENOM shape.  Played out there several times in past few days.   Let&#8217;s get a Turkey scramble together.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Kemble was at Windmill...not Cebula...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Kemble was at Windmill&#8230;not Cebula&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Cebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading and following these posts for the past week and have benn very amused. A couple of thoughts from one of the best Amateur players in the area(me):
The team I played on had a pro in name only and played like a 12 handicap! We had another guy who could bomb the ball 350 into the woods and our third played dressed and looked like Stuart Appleby. We clearly didn&#039;t have a chance with only 1 great player(me) on the team. 

Memo to Masso: Those who run around talking about how much money they have are typically losers. You probably suffer from short mans complex or even worse, the dreaded &quot;Dicky Do&quot; disease. What is the Dicky Do disease you might ask?? Your belly sticks out farther than your Dicky Do. I have played in these events all over the city and thought it was very well run. The greens were slow but soft which would allow for low scoring. If our pro would have shown up we would have had a chance! 

Memo to Vaughn: I agree that Al Freeman has done a lot for this area and the golf tournaments. It is great to have a site we can count on for the most updated information. Also, if you need advice on how to pick up girls let me know. I continually hear from reliable sources that you keep striking out with employees from Chippewa that you went to school with. 
You also spoke of playing for big money? Mike and I offered to play against you and Steve and never got a response. We couldn&#039;t believe that players of your caliber would duck players like us. 

Have a great winter hillbillies!! Look forward to a great 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading and following these posts for the past week and have benn very amused. A couple of thoughts from one of the best Amateur players in the area(me):<br />
The team I played on had a pro in name only and played like a 12 handicap! We had another guy who could bomb the ball 350 into the woods and our third played dressed and looked like Stuart Appleby. We clearly didn&#8217;t have a chance with only 1 great player(me) on the team. </p>
<p>Memo to Masso: Those who run around talking about how much money they have are typically losers. You probably suffer from short mans complex or even worse, the dreaded &#8220;Dicky Do&#8221; disease. What is the Dicky Do disease you might ask?? Your belly sticks out farther than your Dicky Do. I have played in these events all over the city and thought it was very well run. The greens were slow but soft which would allow for low scoring. If our pro would have shown up we would have had a chance! </p>
<p>Memo to Vaughn: I agree that Al Freeman has done a lot for this area and the golf tournaments. It is great to have a site we can count on for the most updated information. Also, if you need advice on how to pick up girls let me know. I continually hear from reliable sources that you keep striking out with employees from Chippewa that you went to school with.<br />
You also spoke of playing for big money? Mike and I offered to play against you and Steve and never got a response. We couldn&#8217;t believe that players of your caliber would duck players like us. </p>
<p>Have a great winter hillbillies!! Look forward to a great 2010</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Borlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Borlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masso,

You really think using 18 high school kids are a better option than another  group paired with them ? If you didn&#039;t question the group on the drop and you didn&#039;t call the guy out for flipping his coin 10-12 feet closer to the hole how can you expect a High school kid to do it ? Also, under your plan, who exactly is going to be watching what happens in the rough ? Guess we need to add another 18 kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masso,</p>
<p>You really think using 18 high school kids are a better option than another  group paired with them ? If you didn&#8217;t question the group on the drop and you didn&#8217;t call the guy out for flipping his coin 10-12 feet closer to the hole how can you expect a High school kid to do it ? Also, under your plan, who exactly is going to be watching what happens in the rough ? Guess we need to add another 18 kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Vaughn-I love it. I think you nailed it.

To the &quot;math challanged&quot;- they paid the top 5 teams. 5 teams, 4 players each team = 20 players. 20 out of 80 players is 25%, just to be correct. 

I would say let this damn topic die already, but its just to funny...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Vaughn-I love it. I think you nailed it.</p>
<p>To the &#8220;math challanged&#8221;- they paid the top 5 teams. 5 teams, 4 players each team = 20 players. 20 out of 80 players is 25%, just to be correct. </p>
<p>I would say let this damn topic die already, but its just to funny&#8230;</p>
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